The Lucky Cheema Case

The Lucky Cheema Case is one of the most shocking true crime stories to come out of the UK.

A relationship filled with obsession, betrayal, jealousy, and revenge ended in a horrifying poisoning case that made headlines across the country. What really happened behind closed doors? And how did a deadly curry become the center of a murder investigation?

In this episode, we break down:
• The full timeline of the case
• The toxic relationship behind the crime
• The investigation and shocking evidence
• Courtroom details and sentencing
• The psychological side of the case

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Transcript

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The following discusses a real criminal case and may contain sensitive or disturbing details.

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Yeah, light up together.

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Three hours?

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Or three and a half hours or back to back episode.

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So either Marbody or true crime? Diggle some book. Diggle some book. Different than different.

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Different. Yes.

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Eli Sala mysterious on a or a debt. Chris Kramer and a front mystery then. Tan um Rachel Barber one mystery lamps like more like psycho. Psycho scale. Matter the end of another, it's um other or mental state or psychological apartment.

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Or core different area. Yeah.

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Yeah. Because it's not like a psychological thriller Maria Prime.

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It's a comedy romco.

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Relationship.

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Relationship matter.

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Okay. Relationship matter. So in the opening, uh in the Kind opening. Open Panna frame parangaji. Um twenty-eighth of January two thousand and nine. Well, but sixteen years, seventeen years anymore. Uh CCTV, uh, C C T V camera, footage le Park um Tante Pair one, or Ambler two carac eighteen um to pair and pair and tender or ten dumpler. Tandble one or two. Karaka conto poinum or silla uh moments college, uh under an depair one, or a pomble and took the karaka conto boinum. Car a few seconds.

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Oh few seconds, yeah. Yeah. And a car cleaned two or random. No, no, no, no.

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Or silenodigal. So a few moments. Middlesex University Hospital in uh West London. West London. London. London. West London. European. So UK.

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Britain would put it.

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Silla nodigal in the CCTV uh incidental and the random pair on the armble on the pomblehem. They had uh dinner. They had dinner. Uh dinner on the arm like whatever thirty lemon he feels like very uncomfortable. Uh he's vomiting all the time. Uh Satya understand. And Patal or critical condition.

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Okay.

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Softan. Yeah, soft. Uh Avaka Pari Leversa Avakam Apes. Um doctors takana can uh quick congrupaninum. It's poisoning. And the Omblade on the po it's poisoning, but it's not the first time. It's not the first time.

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First, I uh uh uh doctor can bring it the evaku and then we're actually another go. What do you mean?

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Averak another. Averikum and the Ambla Kivanda, it's not the first time uh doctors marvandaver two dumbbell on the poisoning can do.

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Okay, uh uh Matava Avanda Avakum and the feeling.

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Avakum uh Tefa Avanda Podi lame. But the Avakman Avala fe up your feeling. But I it's it's not the first time he that he is poisoned.

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Okay.

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Anal in a pretend uh doctors mark what kind of poison it is. Um, and so uh race against time because our critical condition and the antidote and cake and myth toxin three other toxin and three other they cannot give on the antidote for on the on the on the poison. So the race against time tonangita and uh other uh other kid the medication, he will eventually die. And um so it's on the twist and it's the second attempt uh to kill on the man. So it's not the first one weeks before. First attempt failed when he failed.

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I think someone who is trying to kill him multiple times wife wife or girlfriend.

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And we're talking about we are in uh UK, okay? Yeah, or uh Western, modern, progressive country, developed on a country, but doctors may recommend toxin in the other. Either when they are Africa, Asian countries, or South America than that, we could like okay, maybe because maybe they don't have the facility.

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Facility of the developed country, other than a country that's weird actually. Yeah. It's like uh, but we know that he will die actually, because in Nisoni.

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Toxinobri Karti, and the antidote cannot be cardiki, he will die. No, no, are they two kin a poinum other than hospital poinum? Oh, we don't know hospital can be. So on the random guys have nephew.

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Nephews.

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I've got uh sister.

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Sister Napoleon.

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No, no, not that documentary, I think the short cell pattern, like two brothers.

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No, in this one is is is very it's not that uh popular.

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Yeah, okay.

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So setting, so uh West London, especially Anglican Then Jordan. South Hole. South? Yes. No, it's uh Sikhs. Uh Indian Indian people. So uh Feltham and South South, canaver Indian roots, Pakistanis, can I go ahead and South Hall? And the cities of South or vibrant on the city than it. You know, like uh Road Road cardum, the Karlam. Uh yeah, Karlan uh uh on the courts could anymore. Yeah, corn for Brian container uh canakuru cadell, sweets cardiac, one of Nanamun, and then we were like the eldest one, sixty.

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Sixty, yeah.

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And then the parents were like in the twenty pounds, anyone saying no phones, no internet, only mail, or nall and our south full of kids. We were like kids, yeah. And so and vibrant on a city, yeah, because a lot of Indian people, Pakistani people, Bangladeshi people uh lived there. And Idila wanted uh in the cavende main uh protagonist, Lakwinder Chima. I would chima. I would have chief uh lucky and an cooperative.

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Lucky lucky in a group.

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And uh he belongs to the Sikh community. Sikh community, okay. And uh Sikh community one the uh Tamal Kalacharto Khan Mopulandan, uh a lot of similarities.

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Yeah, I think religion ala religion ala.

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So different religion and alum, but you know, uh things like uh family, well being, uh marriage, same than Sikh community, honor, shame other man period and um Sikh community lem like arranged marriage, matter the period of the divorce.

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It's not like taboo.

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Yeah, it's not usual. It's not usual. And arranged marriages are like very common. But uh they're uh you know love marriage is is is uh also a big part. So they are like evolving because they live in the UK. UK UK live Western European. So like arranged marriage is a thing, but love marriage is is also a thing. Also a thing. Yeah. Tandem or Maitan. So other than uh family involvement, community reputation or powerful and forces on the in the Sikh community. Uh lucky one, India. Okay, India, but uh uh teenager uh I think so 12, 13, 14, 15 uh years uh UK came on the term. I went to parents on the no no no or eighteen eighteen years. So I have an agrifunder, and the woman uh uh uh Kalyan Katar uh I went up uh choose Panada, and we are talking about uh 1990s. I think she already lived in the UK. Lived in the UK. Yeah, and he he's like Kalyanang. UK Avardan UK.

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Yeah.

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Uh 1990s. So it's like at the same time parents in the 19th century. Early nineties.

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Okay, in a nineties? Uh 2008.

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Uh 2009. So it's like uh story might think. So divorce is like really uncommon. Yeah. But lucky, maybe because due to the fact that the arranged marriage and a lot of arranged marriage parents would have written arranged marriage. Uh button. Uh button, we do love marriage. It's common. I mean Switzerland divorce rate is fifty percent. Yeah.

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Okay, every second person is fifty.

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But a community, I would say or a hundred uh marriages, maybe two or three miss out.

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Two or three, three percent of the yeah.

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Because a community divorce under the window. Yeah.

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Cellating for good, good. But it's a great but it's a topic.

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Yes. And uh but I've had parents uh were like chilled. Chill, how do you think? Because they think like okay, he's still young. Yeah. He's still young, so it's like around his twenty twenty-ish years. Then I've got another they think like, okay, I hope he can like uh start over, uh remarry, even okay.

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They accept like divorce panni.

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Yeah, divorce panel. They think like I keep uh young done, maybe he can like three amanjal, he can have like children and so on. And um I was a lonely feel panakuda and all I went a sister, uh Narinda Ava Vand uh chance. Yeah, I'm divorced I'd have and uh lucky one family person. I was a chemical combination, and the wood would have sprayed. But I bet a friends, family, and he's like a family man, uh the relationship. And uh uh Patal have uh Narinda with a sister, I've done a token. Yes. So other than a wander uh he's like okay, yeah. I've seen the put a meaning on Kudukum Valkellam because he's like divorcey on another. And I've had a sister on the on the opportunity in Kudukas. Avara power. Yeah, we're Kina, uh exactly. And then uh Ava van the Southra, uh periodum. Kutukuru it's common India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, it's it's common. Yeah, Kutukum America. And if I want to family structure on the wood la R a la Medikina Mandu.

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Okay.

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So first of all, lucky. So lucky is he is divorced, on the wood girl, support or mental support uh on the Buttaporer. And uh husband, Narinda husband, and uh the children. Okay. So we have lucky, then uh luck in the sister, but family, but Narinda uh husband, so uh luck in the Athan. But Abbat uh brother in law brother Mandamutan.

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Narindan husband and brother and brother Manganik. Uh Randy Brother Manger.

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Narinda brother mangerika lucky the husband and brother managed.

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Oh okay. But I think it's there is very usual. Yes, very good.

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So we have like lucky, we have luckiness and Narinda, Narindan the husband, and Narindan the husband and Narinda Pulle, two two kids, I believe. But Narindan husband and brother and his wife.

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I think it's common like France Liland, like Narabsend.

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Um and now Nai then the wife Narinda and uh brother in law and uh Manisi. Narinda brother pair one. The Punjab community are the similar name. Uh Luckwear and uh husband, meaning Narinda and the brother-in-law, in law, he is like uh seventeen years older. About other arranged marriage then. Okay, seventeen years. Yes. And uh Abak when the feeling and she feels uh trapped, unhappy. Unhappy, okay. Because an age difference, and uh Abandon teenager 15 or 16 years than about he was like almost more than 30. He was like more than 30 years. Uh thir yeah, but I'm 118 under child marriage.

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Child marriage, yeah.

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Yes, and uh lucky and the vote up that is like on the 90s.

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Yeah. 2009, like 20 years older.

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Uh lucky and the vote kulaka entra uh moon children. Lucky husband uh prisoner children. Uh on the wood. Uh Pativashama, she feels very unhappy. And the Pativas moon to put on but she's Pana sixty Kalyan Kategis. Sundar, Sundar and uh Sundar uh Sindhrik Karna Manda when a children are children alan away send the kinem. And uh lucky enter a uh luck we are and uh life on the change. But eventually on the f relationship affair amount because luckier and lucky are more or less the same age. I think even the same age. Same age, okay. And you same age. So, yeah. Yes, so under Sundar Manganer, and in the relationship one completely secret. Yeah. So this is lucky. And uh this is luck we are photo. So this is lucky and this is uh luckwear. Okay, no, no, no, no. Sundar Salman Salman is now uh lucky things like okay, can I under sister and a private life here? He saves enough money and moves out to Feltham. Feltham is like South Ole. Yes, and and our Vudu Bang I went a relationship or a private physical space on the Kuruku.

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At a luck we're gonna be able to do it.

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Yeah, the relationship is like uh more than sexual, you know. Yes, they're like a relationship, overnight visit pandra. Uh lucky overnam visit pandra household kuda, avawansera. Either one uh uh Varsha Kanakapo, Varsha Kana Kapo. Like five, ten years of fifteen years. Fifteen years fifteen years, ten times a double life on the modin.

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Oh, yeah, and I'm dumb, but it is a mulpion.

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Away and I'm up a cut trip in him, sister and cut trip, and he would be like divorce sign other because that's a valid and a reason I would come to the divorce sign and uh luck we are lucky pregnant. Luckwear. Yeah lucky little pregnant twice. Tend to the rever. No, ten to the rem abortion scene. Tend to remorse in and I mean like Pullah, I mean the whole you know the structure will be like exposed. And luckwear at that time she has three children. Sundaroda. Sundaroda. Yeah. And if you can say, Sundar and doubt, I could go on. Doubt where Sundar Sundar is Sundarak cancer. Cancer? Yes. Sundaraka cancer, other than for the longest periods of hospital or even India treatment. And we turned up exhausted recovering or carriage.

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She's like offline.

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Yes. They have their like offline.

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Sorry, Sundar offline.

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Power blows. And uh they are like this uh disconnected. Okay. Uh luckwear and Sundar, day-to-day movements. They rarely see, they rarely speak to each other. So now what do you think? And uh regard on the start loan, and start Latoneke. What do you think? Like predictions in a story younger.

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Like obviously, uh true the crime movies. Upon the first air suspect. Yeah, or the suspect aranda mostly Sundar will be the first suspect.

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Sundar exposed.

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So other than Sundar would be a very clean main suspect. Main suspect. Poison. Lucky and lucky. Luck weird. Yeah, there injuries club. Pleil contributed.

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No, it's other than a two can point.

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And if the path Avakwan, I lucky verake a pull prend. They were like really children up there.

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Children an above. And I have just relationships. Yeah, okay.

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Yeah.

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I mean uh one lucky in a pull.

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Sundalam Sundrum Pulil Master Plan over a poison over poison could be a potato on the Pompeila.

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Yeah, the Avagapers of maybe Vara Orvela and the Pompala Lakvira Irindrinha. After some point she feels maybe guilty and says, okay, now the affair trace Ali Contaputya Avawe Lakvira. Life risk penity. And uh she wants like clean want to be clean, you know.

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Okay. Now our turning point. Now so 15 years, Lucky and Luckwear are now 39 years old. Oh yeah, almost 40. Yes. And it is only a feeling, remarry. But now he feels like okay, or relationship on a burnam which he can like show.

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Yeah.

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I mean that's like the m or or uh on pen general dend people uh on on our up to you. Away on the relationship on the bond, uh cartridge, like there are like only a few things which are you know more beautiful than this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or or or uh or key away to show the world, you know.

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So not only like affair motherfuckership.

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So he feels like or publicly and acknowledged relationship on the Vernum. He wants children. Okay. He wants children as well. Yes, uh, and then uh he said uh he says even he wants to end on the double life burned up because he wants like you know Padranji versus the cooperative, he feels like it. Padrananji versus it. Eleven twenty six. Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy, man. And if we are talking from the nineties until 2009. Millennium Elantani. Elanthandi, yeah, yeah, Elanthani. And now uh uh tragic on Bishamanakada uh Sundaramanda saw cancer and pretty yes. So now suspect I leni. Ah yeah, suspect I line cancer lucky in neck random, okay, available any clear. She can make it he's dead. Ava aver abandu uh luckier and silam uh official. But lucky has on the idea.

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He wants some someone fresh, mother.

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I was parents into personal and uh chand uh uh brother and a wife. Yeah, sister, I've had a brother and a wife, I was a he feels like a without mother of three children, eight to column. Parents either parents, a future partner but that means like fifteen years most probably, no? Low kuranje matamilla, he's like convinced about a family that in the match they would be unhappy. Unhappy, I agree. And lucky and expectation, uh lucky in the lucky in the point of view, they diverge very sharply. It's more like lucky things, lucky when he couldn't have her, he wanted her. But now, when he can have her, I would went down. Yes, but it's like very toxic, man.

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Yeah, it's very toxic, man.

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It's very toxic because he's like playing with her feelings.

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Yeah, that's even he's like obviously. I would not support that anyway. But in all our secret with him, like he wants like okay, and uh parents exp accept one of 15 years affair later than the day. So yeah, obviously it's a very toxic behavior.

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So now we are uh in the year 2008. In the CCTV instance uh or a community event in the Sync SIC community event uh Narinda Wanda Lucky Given the girl introduced. Gurji Gurjit bias.

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That's a big difference.

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Okay, I'll put the umbad your way. This is Gurjit. No, um Gurjit. Umblavan and uh Narinda will introduce Pandra. I wake Udana take it off very quickly. I wake one Udana understood. And uh only a few weeks uh Lucky wanna propose Pandra 2008, mid-October one announced Valentine's Day Tender, they will get married. They will get married. And after 15 years, uh you know, and the or secret on the life of the brother, uh Lucky becomes um engaged to someone else in the span of weeks. Weeks he spent fifteen years with Lucky and now or still weeks I don't know, I wanted to say six, seven weeks.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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And um Kurchit Vandu, Kalyanating Mudele, uh Lucky or uh they move in together. Oh, okay. They move in together and uh but lucky you know he has to do something. He must tell Rakvier I went a relationship is officially. Gurjad knows about this. She knows about it, and she was okay with it. Lucky sold it there. Uh and she's somehow uh 21 years, I don't know, man. Are you mature enough to I don't think so, yeah? I don't think as well, yeah. But I think she's like so blind that she wants him. Yeah, she wants to she wants to marry him. And I have an affair on the Pavanjavasan. I went affair through Kurujit was only three years old.

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That's like very young, you know, 2020 uh one and twenty one and twenty-one and very care. Um they are like very young, you know. So clear thing panamria.

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Yeah, clear thing panel. Kind of. Kind of.

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Now we can introduce Pandra. Yeah, but I think that's a good thing. But the whole difference like he can be her uh dad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, even like fifteen years ago, he could have been her dad. Yeah, of course. Eighteen years is a huge difference. But I wake up now, hey. Love is love, man. Love is for everyone. So we don't want to judge anyone. But I want to judge Lucky, yeah, yeah, our behavior. Yes. So our poisoner, luck we're to sold like uh he met a younger woman, uh our one dawa t and married plan pandre, and that he wants an open life with children and everything. Luckwear collapses emotionally. She she cannot anymore because she was thinking like, okay, uh oh sorry, um, she I mean, even twice she got an abortion.

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Abortion, yeah. She was like pregnant because of him.

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And uh the situation is she is expected to mourn the death of her husband. Publica everyone's like, okay, uh okay, she's widowed, uh she needs time. And the husband sit upon her, cancellors sit upon her, but she's not mourning because of that. She's mourning because she's mourning because of lucky and and I went the Pananjavasham relationship relationship. But the affair was secret. Lucky the Gurjida Sonavar, but lucky we uh lucky on the art of children and because she's expected to mourn the death of her husband. Uh yeah. So shame the guilt guilty of even on the she's like in an emotional crisis, yeah. And uh and she's very isolated, she has no one to talk. And the community like talking with the therapist or something is still like normal, yeah. And under timeline, I've even upper prenda, uh, therapy in uh other in the new lager, don't worry. Yeah. And uh Pata luck here, she refuses to accept. No, that cannot be the truth, man. And lucky message Panimunerika. Ava message panigunerika tries to convince him uh to end on the wedding.

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Okay.

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Because she wants the British citizenship and everything. Ah, pretty sold. Yeah, she's like gurjid or gold digera cutra. Digara, yeah. Yes. And uh spy panangulamra uh window or even following them around. I mean, see on the town felt. I think both.

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Yeah, like Buddhabind and even the Theryaman. Okay.

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And Ava could have threatened Mandra lucking the Buddha and 80 pandemic uh she threatens to set Lucky's house on fire, the other land's old ra and at the same time uh couldn't the situation. I mean, she knows about our affair. Yeah. Uh luck virwanda neira direct away approach pandra. And she said she's like saying, like our pressure pandra, lucky I would have to poor. Yes, 15 years in the Vandra Kram. And I mean, even she had they had an affair, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay, Lucky wasn't in a relationship then, but she was she was married. She was married three kids as well, yeah. And um uh Lucky and Kurchit Sela uh Kurchit Dikwandor or no or guarantee on the third lucky, and he would like assure Unatan Katuanan. That's a Lucky is a very, you know uh doctor. It's like I have a scandy on a guy. Scandi on a guy, yeah. I don't like him at all, man. Yeah, and I can we have a behavior and you are even the other end of the yeah, and then uh uh the pressure suddenly stops from uh luck via message pandrella, stock pandrelas, pipe, and it's a lot of miller we are talking November uh eight. Okay three months before the wedding, three months before Valentine's Day in 2009. Uh luck we are it appears like it seems like she goes quiet, yeah. And even she goes to India Lakwear India India with the children. Yes. Uh other three year in a couple of things. It looks like she has uh accepted her fate.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Okay. Obviously, we suspect Marita Luckwir Poi Kuno and uh she has the motif, you know. Gurjit may have motif, but maybe she said like Abalo Bundam.

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But Godar is like still unsure.

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Lucky Mawa happy.

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Maybe I mean 15 years I was saying, maybe uh again three on the feelings. I mean, still untethered. How much you know, Tony Verecker, like okay, uh in another.

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Yeah, other mother. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's uh because remember on the woman on the Torakal Solek, she wasn't feeling worse, Mari Lee. In that woman? Torakatlan CC TV camera.

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Yeah.

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Hospital poet.

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And the woman was she was okay.

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Yeah, kinda okay.

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But she I I felt like she doesn't have that motor. Maybe Sanjeep. You'd never know. Every people has their own feeling and the handlebund is different than it's not.

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Luckwear. Luck we run the aka poor. Look, you put it on the rundaum be ordered on the tension.

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Karnugos in Jamaicarnavala. It's very important. So we are now uh three days before Christmas 2008. Yeah, December. Pata lucky one the hospital. Because he feels like abdominal pain. Lucky. Lucky, yeah. He feels he feels like abdominal pain. Um toxin on the suspect, poisoning toxin and the common and he gave him medications, and it seems like symptoms are unusual, but he feels like well. It's nothing uh serious in the butt symptoms are still unusual. Doctor Mariosi can be a good idea. I know I recommend it, but yes because he feels well understanding. And they cannot identify. Now we are jumping uh 28 January 2009. Two weeks before the very lucky kurjit. Um lucking Gurjit Mandu in the career reheat panina. Fridge reheat panels. Yeah, it was Gurjit one day before. So 27th. Wedding a petit kayak and future plans abetika, kids, I went a life, in the wit you know, the things which two people before you get married. Yes, before you get married. Um the kurjit van the uh shower panabora. And then when she comes back, lucky one the he feels like very troubled. Sariya Sabu can you can select another uh Dino evening. Maybe maybe um blood vision, so I've counted around the real pen path uh collapse, arms, legs, only say abdominal pain better. And soon Gurji to Konyam Dizia, conjam illness, uh Ibra Marile. Yes. Anal lucky ava click up the day I he realizes okay, something is wrong, something is off under emergency ambulance call pantra. Uh call panin on the phone, he's saying non man and the ex partner is suspect. Ah, luck with the I am suspecting luck we are under India crowded. The contact is off. No one knows suspect, and doctor disorder.

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Found he's like dying.

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Death bedlet. Yeah, death but he's like calling and and saying because he feels like he won't make it.

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Ah, okay.

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He's like uh you know stating his suspects.

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Yeah.

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He loses full control of his legs, arms, everything. An unknown reason, ambulance on the arrival panela, uh Narinda Bara under Sun Zura.

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Avaka.

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I think Lucky called her. Lucky called her. Uh Ave Avenue Magan, uh, Lucky and Gurji Deemanda opening scene.

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Uh-huh.

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Car Gatewonder points. Tendevarum now both are critical. Tenderum critical either, vomit icon and uh lucky given the rhythm abnormalities. Doctor Smar triponinum, they're like CPR Purikinum. Anal uh tender key lucky is pronounced dead.

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Lucky is dead.

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Yeah, lucky said Lucky in the heart failure.

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Heart failure, I don't know. Heart failure and they could not otherwise in the person that would I mean uh they had no time.

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But they had like CPR heart among the uh uh uh reset pan uh research pan uh triponinum and they have no time to think about okay what could it could have been, yeah. And it's like unusual.

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Unusual trip your other like two months. Two months you know, even two months.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

No, one month even. One month, okay. One month. Uh Gurjit Vanda survived Pandra. Gurjit. Gurjit survives. Uh but she's uh Tandrenal Vanda one the coma uh induced manina. Doctor coma induced manina. Because still she's like our survival, but uh our body is not functioning uh completely. Completely says uh confirm under a police hospital that uh Avewanda on the leftover carrier than Sabotae. Avan Alan. Had more feeling. He had like the situation was like very uh very much worse than uh than um kurjitinda, yeah. And then um uh investigation suspect suspect and uh in the in the poison in a mother it can in a man patan or massadumal band the they couldn't identify and identify panna mud it's not like other Nisana Madri it's like your developed country. Yes, it's our developed country. We are talking about the UK and um Indians not to wait. And uh when the main focus one doctor man focus on the we have to find out the poison. Poison, yeah. In the poison. And they use uh crime levels, forensic botani. Botani one and the pukal uh all more science than forensic botani on the uh in the crimes in the pukal crimes. Yes, so forensic botany one in the plant science, the seeds, plant material, pollen trees, uh leaf wall, other which crime solved tripod, and they you know try to reconstruct on the circumstances of depth, death in our set of key clue on the heart because um rhythmia rhythmica to both gurjit and lucky. But I've I mean he suffers a cardiac arrest. Yeah, I've got a heart attack and um and the in the expert and the scientist there are only a few portions of uh toxins in the world which causes such or a or pattern. I think there are a lot of uh toxic which uh which will lead to uh cardiac arrest. But if it's symptoms and a mature park, few dan and the culabarum on the vision. And then eventually culprit and a toxin under the toxin is a pair of iconicin. Iconichin. Iconitin. A C O N I T I N E. Lethal on a toxin uh associated with monks food. Monk sood one or poo marion, okay, or what you want or kneel a color poo and bluish purple another, but two grams of on the on the on the toxin on the pool and the water, a toxin one can kill or uh adult men.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Yes. And rot certain areas of the world. And otherwise, nervous system uh attack panum uh pod in the electric signaling will like completely dysfunction, body functions, tuck and shutter panam, and in a phone, there is no antidote. No, there's no medication against iconic.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

So we can do it.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

So doctor and smare have like or now they have the insight, okay. Um we couldn't do anything.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Mudia. And then uh testing and partal on the Kari Kavandura. Now or a question Police Maram investigators in Yosikinam. Uh ain't second time mutum have a reheat panier subject.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

So in between that one. So the reheat and the microwave?

SPEAKER_03 47:57

Microwave test panel. No, otherwise. But mainly other on the microwave one the karma on the curry curry in the run.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Microwave. Not like microflow in the curry.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

But yeah, that's what on the night on the twenty twenty-seven letter and the twenty-eight later. Twenty-eight. Yeah, then.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

Yeah, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Yeah, so not so suspect lucky right in the other night to the mandrigh.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Yeah, and lucky our road uh key in the house.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

But our one the beginning roommates.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Roommates.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

But they're they're like tenants as well. Uh other London are very usual. Yeah, it's very usual. Because you know, more technical costs. It's uh I mean the girl. Uh um on the fridge is being shared between all the members on the witter.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

So it's a shared fridge. And on the tenant or pathric rare or key a vech on the Iduca Poner. He thought like maybe I would have a friend. Uh-huh. I don't know. That means you're like, you are allowed to go inside. Yeah, you are allowed to go inside. Uh and our path rare that she went into uh she insulted. That she went into the kitchen and uh on the current container removed. Okay, but she feels like very familiar. Familiar. And he thought like, okay, Abavan the Sapratan, Bandava. But Artha and he couldn't see clear. So the implication was not clear. Um Patal Academic and the Kari Gut, Frichika Triporta, Ava Pota. And either Averyele. And the porta delante, and the curry container, Avalanter in Jella. But uh in the Sanjawana Triella. But now you know every incidence is clear. In Western Park Park, it's obviously lucky. Luckwear one is on the spare key. And the Sendan is in the yeah, it is fifteen years Saint and uh police one main suspect. Police one the Avant Wood 34. And partal they find uh bundle of herbs or coat again and a handbag, forensic test to the park on the plant, on the herbs plant, iconic. And in the under particular variant on the type on the Indian Amadan Oh, so see Angapoya Tunditrimbi Karname or Porn Karname, sending a meeting. Because in the UK you cannot find that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

It will be in India.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

And then at this point, investigators they have uh they know okay, on the Karika on the toxin, luck we are spare key access. She had a she had a spare key or a tenant path record. The plan material on the luck we are in the wood in the girl. Plus, you know, pre-crime behavior might have dairy pen. Yes, Elan said the park, she is like uh the main suspect. Up airkne or trip underneath. That was her as well. Yes. And even uh lucky one the emergency caller panica, emergency call panaka, what if lucky in a snow. Anala, it's obvious. So police the police says like police produjine.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

A product.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

And now trial trial and trial. January 2010, one year after. Because the police have to find out. One year one in the investigation she goes on trial. She pleads not guilty. No, no, no. And she's being uh charged with murder of Lucky and with attempted murder of Guru. Avant lawyers in the saying, the defense shift open. It's very common in crime, even here in Switzerland. Ava Solinam, lucky brother-in-law or girl, not a husband. That Averan is in the world, and I would manisi is having an affair with his machan. And the shame Avanda eliminate Pandra Tikamanda and the family affair in the shame Pandra Kala, Adanalavandh, he wanted to eliminate this. And like other Lampudu, Adhanalavandh, Narinda and the husband, and in the Toxin Auti, even the defense rule, you know, in the neighborhood. But uh judges, they are not they are not dumb. Yeah. Yeah, of course. And it's a very common strategy.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

Normally, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

It's a common strategy. Uh it's a common strategy to point out to an alternative uh uh suspect. Yeah. Pata of February 2010, Lakvier is found guilty of murdering Lucky and the terrible murder of Gojit. And Avaka won the minimum term, uh minimum sentence of Muddha. That means uh potentially she can come out in seven years. 2010 she was convicted for 23 years. That means 23 years old. In seven years she can come out and put potential up our kick. And is it a kid noise? She was 39 in 2009.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

2010, 40. She can still live like up to 20 years.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

Up to 20 years, or 80, 80, 50.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

20 years of recommended reclamation.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

You don't know.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

And up to park, the investigation investigators find very interesting things about in the iconic team. I have a park. So I mean in the in the in the whole case, it you know, it uh highlights you know the social scarce might have the sick community. So like affair one 15 years, secret of disgrace avoid ponder the girl. Uh it is exposed after Lucky's death. Uh Sundar, so I've had husband, uh Lucky and husband's and the whole family system may want the disrupted.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

Up Lucky and uh brother-in-law and other relatives have a funeral could have remembered because they are like uh disappointed of him. They are disappointed and the family fracture on the terrid. So lucky in the funeral, no, lucky in a funeral, I've had a family pool. Yeah, because I said it there, but he did all those things. All those things, and upon a terrible yes, and Upake Luckier has lost everything. She has lost her love of their life, Lucky, she has lost her husband, and she has lost her three children as well.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Yeah, in any way.

SPEAKER_03 56:41

Avant the children, they have no one. Um uh even after that, in the Randati Parth, in the conviction, in the Avanda sentence, um they are not like a public anymore. So lucky, uh lucky in the Kunumba Narinda, Avanda Husband, um the pull, lucky and the pull uh Gurji Denama ultimately we don't know nothing about it. And uh that's like our case note in and um this is the first time in the UK since eighteen eighty-two eighteen, like more than hundred years ago. Yes, more than hundred years ago, Iconity never murdered whole ukulele. 1881 uh there was our murder. 1850 slam uh oral one the poor. So general park um four or five uh deaths in the aconitine. But eighteen eighty-two provo, this was the first time that someone was killed with aconitine.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Hopefully. Hopefully, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:54

And um aconitine one, put it to the scrap on randal. It's sweet aircoming uh paint on a scratchy, you know. Scratchy. And it's like perfect to mix it with curry.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Yeah, same thing.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Yeah, yeah. Because it's like it had like it has like the same flavors. Yeah, yeah. It's easy to hide in a very spiced food like uh curry. Like curry. And this is the this is the tragic end and the murder of Lakmindra Chima in the UK.

SPEAKER_02 58:29

I feel like the curry ended, like on the if uh obviously other this is actually a perfect uh story to make a series out of it. And on the relationship between those people, other love and like or other love and the solar lam and the love or all in the extreme conduct. But like India Gpo, and the because I think I'm portrayed. You know, even the portal is other special ternas. I don't know what's the particular research in it. Maybe we're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

They would not know, like then giving the very or and uh or solution.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

You know, there is will be a research, like active thinking on Ricky. And I got uh fascinating, but it's a wishing and the people in the mind to clean the poem and uh I mean it's not like the botanic garden of India.

SPEAKER_03 59:38

India, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

She probably had like so much moments to uh cut off this uh thing up when you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Even on the boot copoe and the container. But she didn't. Yeah. But Avanda Parva uh lucky deserved this.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Yeah, Avanda Parva. Of course, I think death is never a solution. But murder, especially, yeah, no, the death, not even dead, like other murder. Uh, you can't put another life in the eye and regard.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:17

Gurjit Kalyanaka.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

Gurjit Kariana Katailer, I don't know as well. Avant life, trauma on you, you know, and she she's like the most innocent one.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Yeah, she did nothing actually. She did nothing actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

Only a red flag, or mistake in a solemn situation, and if uh then young young 21, 22, then up here.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

Yeah, but in more new life.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

It's not okay, it's fine. You know, it's not that old.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Yeah, it will have four years.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

The trauma or level is four years. Maybe other thirty good pull up, you never know. Yeah. It's different on people.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:26

Lucky a few weeks. Maybe I don't know, then we need to come. Yeah, I mean I mean, yes, he's I would sit upon her.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

So option, of course, no. No, no. But that's like the moral item.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

That's a moral question. If people can say like what kind of you know, emotionalist assholes are you have set up on her. Or can you say the palm packet? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Yeah, don't you? Of course, the death one or solution in the murder or solution ill.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

Or even he could have shame on the Kudumatar or Mar Panini.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

I don't feel like pity.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:42

So many crap.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Okay, and on the full full of vermpode, neon the ill no and even kids alumbra kids, in not the pan a man set on it. Or younger girl vermped up. Yeah, of course the use panacea.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

But I think I want uh use penit and even isn't a gurjid one silver on the red flags uh part to what you poor. I don't know, I twenty one years three million.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

I think Anna, do you are really young too for that? Yeah, she's what's really really young. And you could have money like Gurj and Lucky when they solidaro. And you know, we have no videam Idances.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:03

This is this is uh either or a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

But even though YouTube videos konyang, but canaka or I think I found like only one English video, but it's not very popular. And it's um 2010 and it's like particular community, and a Sikh community. You know, uh a lot of things are not much uh relatable because it seems like estranged. Like if I divorce.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:35

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

I went to family members, have a funeral very you know, maybe and the on the community of the Serena Puriya, you know. But yeah, and that's why I chose in the case because it has a lot of similarities.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:59

Yeah, yeah, of course. It's a topic as well on the community. But yes, I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

Yes, I mean I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

I think it's I think I don't want to take uh decision, Mother. I don't want to take sides.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:30

But one thing which I cannot never justify is uh Luckweet's action.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Uh lucky's action uh in front of uh against uh against lucky, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:42

No one gives you the right to you know kill someone. Yeah in the innard. And uh but yeah, I don't want to say you know Lucky uh did mistakes, luckwear did mistakes. Everyone did mistakes. Guru did the Yeah, I mean we can say like okay, she couldn't. Realize like button harm anyway.

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